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December 19, 2005

There's No Such Agency

Given the Bush administration's disproportionate, bizzare, and totally confusing response to the New York Times' expose that the NSA is illegally spying on US citizens, it must be that something else is going on here.

I think it is now safe to assume that the NSA can intercept all internet traffic coming in and out of the United States. It doesn't seem likely that they would be able to store, let alone process all of that data, but I would imagine that they could store everything on, say, port 25 indefinitely. Storing all HTTP traffic would be a horse of a different color, of course, but maybe you wouldn't need to — in some cases just knowing the IP addresses of the endpoints of every open socket between the US and the outside would yield enough data points to make John Poindexter's socks roll up and down.

Of course the NSA can do this all legally by tapping undersea cables — but this is expensive, and they would need some way of getting the data from the taps to where it could be processed, which would be even more expensive.

My guess is they're getting the data from the service providers, on US soil, presumably with their cooperation (although I suppose that wouldn't necessarily be needed). This would be illegal, but the argument would be made that they could do it legally, it would just be more expensive.

I don't think they can intercept arbitrary traffic within the United States — to get full coverage they would need to tap so many different traffic bottlenecks that someone would surely notice. Right?

It will be interesting to see if we ever learn what the fuck is really going on here. It's times like these that illustrate why subpoena power is so important.

Also see why Dianne Feinstein is so pissed off. It's worth your time, I promise.

Update: Bruce Schnier (Of Applied Cryptography fame) has a piece in Salon.

Posted by coughlin at 10:39 PM | Comments (1)
Comments

The NSA has been spying on Americans (and everyone else) since the 1980s.

Through a system known as "Echelon," pretty much all forms of electronic communication are monitored including phone calls (land-line and mobile), e-mails, internet traffic, radio communications, ect.Echelon is a multi-national project with the NSA handling the US end of it. How it works is there are numerous sites around the globe that take in all of these signals.

It is truly a massive amount of information and for intelligence purposes most of it is garbage. Large banks of computers (super computers) hash through this mountain of information looking for certain keywords and phrases that are determined by the people running the system. When these are detected those intercepts are pulled and processed further. If they make it far enough they'll end up in front of a human being who will make the final determination of whether it is useful or not.

Yes, domestic spying is illegal; but, that has not been a problem to get around. Friendly countries whose intelligence services are a part of the system simply do the "spying" on Americans (because for them it is not illegal), and then pass the information back to US authorities. This is basically information laundering and that makes it completely legal.

Yes, they do intercept arbitrary traffic, and it is filtered out. It is far too much information to store which is why it is sorted through as it comes in. To get full coverage wouldn't require *that* many intercept points. You also need to remember that the internet is the end result of a military project. One should probably assume that the government still has significant access to major exchanges. I suggest you google for "echelon" and see what you can dig up.

Posted by: Hokie Explorer at December 19, 2005 11:15 PM